I challenge anyone here to tell me that separation of church and state is a bad thing for a democracy.
To clarify, separation of church and state is an institutional separation. It's when neither side is part of the other. For example, the church doesn't become the "Holy Government of Jesus's Moses." This would NOT be separation of church and state.
What are the benefits of separation? We can better protect each person's individual freedoms. In a society without separation, churches (religions in general) could become part of the government. With this influence, who knows what they could do. Possibilities include banning and oppressing other religions, favoring members of their religions, or generally just wreaking havoc. So that being said...
What if we don't want the separation?
We have to have it. No matter what, having no separation means that we will turn into the next Iran, where groups of religious zealots take control of the government and make it impossible for there to be a democracy. We would have a theocratic society where only religious beliefs rule. This is bad for everyone else and human rights.
Separation doesn't help us!
Yes it does. No matter which way you look at it, no separation can only hurt a democracy. Either we become a theocracy as above, or else religions will discourage minorities and uproot them. If you have a dominant religion without separation, there is absolutely no chance that there will be no one state religion. With a state religion, people will have serious problems following another religion. Minority groups following these religions would run away from the country or be oppressed. Now without a minority, it will be a pretty damn boring democracy.
You're wrong!
No, you're wrong.
Oh yeah!?
Yeah.
Damn you. I'm leaving.
Good for you then.
Friday, February 25, 2005
Tuesday, February 15, 2005
Moderation
Everything has something good, and something bad. Unless your talking about air. Because you can never have too much air. Well, so you can. But that is besides the point. Or maybe gold. Wait, that makes stuff screw up with the gold economy and your gold becomes dirt cheap or something. Oh whatever.
Anyways, among the things that should be taken into moderation, religion appears to be a really big problem. This, if anything, should be taken into moderation. There comes a problem when you start being a screaming Christian. This would include going around shooting the disbelievers. So thats a little extreme, and is probably not going to happen here. So we move on to a more...realistic example. Take creation, and then take evolution. Creation is to geocentric, as evolution is to heliocentric. So, evolution has its own holes. So now, we go onto ANOTHER example. Going around, damming everybody to hell, saying your religion > than everybody elses, tapping people over the head with bibles, etc. So the list goes.
Well, going around saying your religion is > than the other religions causes a problem. Especially if you bring it up with another highly religious person. Plus, it's a big deal when the other guy has a friggan 45 and an AR-14. And if pushed too far, you will be shot, stabbed, etc. See the problem with people who do not take religion into moderation?
Religion is like a pill. It's good when you take one. But when you take two, you kinda feel sick. Three, four, five. Now your just getting high. Six, seven...etc. Your going to die, or get addicted to it.
Religion is what caused the Spanish Armada. And guess what? The Spanish Armada was sunk. Many people died (England won). The point isn't who won, but the point is the number of people who died. All because of religion, that is still kinda flickery when it comes to what happened, and what didn't happen.
Put religion aside. Yes, It can be very powerful. At times, it can unite everybody to strike the opposing force, but be sensible.
Anyways, among the things that should be taken into moderation, religion appears to be a really big problem. This, if anything, should be taken into moderation. There comes a problem when you start being a screaming Christian. This would include going around shooting the disbelievers. So thats a little extreme, and is probably not going to happen here. So we move on to a more...realistic example. Take creation, and then take evolution. Creation is to geocentric, as evolution is to heliocentric. So, evolution has its own holes. So now, we go onto ANOTHER example. Going around, damming everybody to hell, saying your religion > than everybody elses, tapping people over the head with bibles, etc. So the list goes.
Well, going around saying your religion is > than the other religions causes a problem. Especially if you bring it up with another highly religious person. Plus, it's a big deal when the other guy has a friggan 45 and an AR-14. And if pushed too far, you will be shot, stabbed, etc. See the problem with people who do not take religion into moderation?
Religion is like a pill. It's good when you take one. But when you take two, you kinda feel sick. Three, four, five. Now your just getting high. Six, seven...etc. Your going to die, or get addicted to it.
Religion is what caused the Spanish Armada. And guess what? The Spanish Armada was sunk. Many people died (England won). The point isn't who won, but the point is the number of people who died. All because of religion, that is still kinda flickery when it comes to what happened, and what didn't happen.
Put religion aside. Yes, It can be very powerful. At times, it can unite everybody to strike the opposing force, but be sensible.
Wednesday, February 09, 2005
The Pope, and evolution
Many people believe that creation is what started humanity. Well, if you think it logically, without this panacea for all unknown things called, "god," you'd think there would be something that would snag your mind about creation. Without a panacea, you have nothing supporting Creation. There is no scientific evidence, there is no boundries, there is nothing supporting the creation cause.
Saying you think creation is the way to go, is also saying you believe in geocentric ideas. Back then, people have proved that the Earth was not the center of the universe, and the orbit was eliptical. However, nobody believed it at that time. The point I'm trying to make is...Have our level of thinking not expanded over the years?
THIS IS NOT PROPAGANDA
"Today, more than a half century after this encyclical [Pius XII's 1950 encyclical Humani generis], new knowledge leads us to recognize in the theory of evolution more than a hypothesis."
http://www.cin.org/users/james/files/whatsaid.htm
http://www.cin.org/users/james/files/message.htm
As you can see, the pope certainly thinkgs evolution is more than just a stupid thing us liberals made up in order to make you all go to hell. Sure, there are some problems, but look, the Pope thinks evolution is more than just a hypothesis. So what does that make you? A heretic? What does that make the your holy leader? A heretic?
Think for a second. Just sit down and think. Do you believe in something thats backed up by a book? Or do you believe in something that has a little evidence?
Saying you think creation is the way to go, is also saying you believe in geocentric ideas. Back then, people have proved that the Earth was not the center of the universe, and the orbit was eliptical. However, nobody believed it at that time. The point I'm trying to make is...Have our level of thinking not expanded over the years?
THIS IS NOT PROPAGANDA
"Today, more than a half century after this encyclical [Pius XII's 1950 encyclical Humani generis], new knowledge leads us to recognize in the theory of evolution more than a hypothesis."
http://www.cin.org/users/james/files/whatsaid.htm
http://www.cin.org/users/james/files/message.htm
As you can see, the pope certainly thinkgs evolution is more than just a stupid thing us liberals made up in order to make you all go to hell. Sure, there are some problems, but look, the Pope thinks evolution is more than just a hypothesis. So what does that make you? A heretic? What does that make the your holy leader? A heretic?
Think for a second. Just sit down and think. Do you believe in something thats backed up by a book? Or do you believe in something that has a little evidence?
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